Friday, 13 February 2009

More general incoherent ramblings of a silly old duffer.

I had to sign on again this week and what a complete difference to the last time, a friendly face, chatty advisor and all done with good grace and a smile, it was almost a pleasure !!!
Its just a shame that they still havn’t sorted out my claim for JSA yet.

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Much has been said and written about the proposal to allow ‘night time flying’ at Manston Airport.
When you remove all the hysterical ranting, ill informed tosh, opinion from misguided folks who claim to be experts on just about every subject under the sun, wild exaggeration and hyperbole carefully designed to create false impressions and spread fear you are left with one inescapable fact there will be four flights a week arriving between 6 and 7 in the morning all the others will be arriving and departing during normal operating hours.
Infratil have said that they will emphasis to the carrier that arrivals should be on Runway 10 (west to east) and departures on Runway 28 (east to west) I would hope that if indeed it is the carrier that has been mentioned but not yet confirmed, their Pilots would be of sufficiently high calibre that they would adhere to the rules. Unless we have a prolonged period of adverse weather most of the arrivals should avoid Ramsgate altogether.
Following the accident in America this morning some folks are already using that as a reason to claim that the Airport should shut completely as there may be a plane crash, following that logic no-one should get in their car, cross the road, go up a ladder as they may have an accident, no doubt there have been several car accidents, pedestrians run over and builders fallen off ladders already today. Lets all just stay indoors and go nowhere and do nothing in case we have an accident, and be careful don’t boil the kettle in case you burn yourself!! Every time we carry out some activity we are subconsciously doing a risk assessment the only difference between that and flying operations is the level at which that assessment is carried out. Accidents rarely just happen they are usually caused by sudden mechanical failure, human error or more usually plain stupidity. SEE HERE FOR DETAILS.
At the risk of upsetting some air freight operators I would suggest that the touted operator has very high standards of aircraft maintenance, their pilots are very well trained and probably not subject to acts of stupidity while in charge of an aircraft.

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No doubt ECR is creaming his Gucci jeans at the fact that one of his many obsessive postings has reached 97 replies as I write, no doubt it will creep above three figures this evening as the anonymous ‘ I’ve got a job’ posters get to work posting their bile, vitriol and general corruption of the facts.
To correct some false statements, I DID NOT mention Pilots when listing the jobs that may become available at KIA when speaking, I spoke about semi skilled jobs that people could be trained for locally, I also mentioned the fact that when Infratil originally took over the airport they were using an Aberdeen based recruitment agency to get staff. Incidentally at that time there were only 7 full time employees of the Airport all the others were agency staff recruited locally but employed via this agency in Aberdeen. That practice has now ceased and about 100 staff are directly employed by Infratil at KIA. The point I was making was that that should not happen again and that any jobs created should use local labour recruited by the local Job Centre or a local agency.

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Much indignation emerges from members of KIACC about all sorts of things that Infratil and the Council have or haven’t done, before criticising others may I suggest that they take a closer look at themselves and see what, if anything they have done to comply with THESE GUIDLINES They may also wish to consider joining this organisation. Oh ! silly me, the present criterion for membership of the Liaison Group is that an airport should have a passenger throughput of 0.6. mppa or more, given the present attitude of KIACC that is not likely to happen for many years although that is not to say that they (KIACC) couldn’t or shouldn’t approach them for help and advice.

11 comments:

John Kirby said...

Mike Harrison put the whole truth forward last night regarding Manston - he has the knowledge and i was very pleased as Chairman that he so clearly explained the current situation - thanks John Kirby

Anonymous said...

Wrong Mike. ECR cited the tragic crash in USA against Dr Moores glide path argument. ECR made his point and you misrepresent it in order to create the illusion of rebutting it.

tony flaig bignews said...

I think that everyone in the council chamber did a good job.

And the handful of opponents (outside the council) have used every way possible to sway the arguement.

Emotive language and extreme argument like ECR.

ascu75 aka Don said...

Air travel still remains the safest form of getting from a to b. That said accidents do and will happen. I pray for those in the accident in America and their families, and I pray that we as a community never ever have to endure such a thing. But I am still in favour of our airport, and look forwards to British airways bringing freight in and who knows what the future holds, maybe you will get a job Mike.Glad you had a better experience this week and I do hope you soon find something.Don

DrMoores said...

For Heaven's sake Mr Anonymous 18:02 do try and keep up and actually read what I said. If you have a catastrophic failure which compromises the aerodynamics of an aircraft, then a glide path is irrelevant. Aircraft glide at a given ratio, my own is about 7:1 so for every 1000, feet at best glide speed and engine out it will glide 7,000 feet or over a mile. Modern transport aircraft have more than one engine and required a demonstrated single-engine capability (in fact I have to do the exact same exercise in a multi-engined aircraft on Tuesday as part of my annual commercial type-rating renewal; i.e. lose an engine on final approach and land the aircraft).

So to recap and as I wrote before, it is unlikely though not improbable that a landing aircraft, experiencing a complete engine failure (like the Boeing 777 at Heathrow last year) might crash or have to make a forced landing on the 28 approach to Manston but because of the altitude on the glide path to the runway, it is equally unlikely that it would crash into Ramsgate town itself.

If my opinion was asked, I would say that the farmed area between the RW28 threshold and the Haine Rd would be the more likely area, if it were unable to reach the runway taking gravity, the prevailing wind and simple physics into account.

One of the exercises we do is just that, turn the engines off in the circuit at 1000 feet and then practise an emergency descent into the runway without power. It must work as I'm still here to write about it!

Ken Gregory said...

Mike, you spoke loads of sense, and truth. The antis will not like that. If more in the Labour group had your common sense your party would be in a better position to fight the next election. Well done

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Michael Child said...

The problem Simon that won’t go away, and you seem to be substantiating it here, is a serious crash on the aquifer, with a large fuel spillage is likely to spell the end of agriculture in this part of the garden of England, this just isn’t the case at other civil airports.

Another interesting factor is that the airport expansion so far as passed the point where they must now have an EIA, how they could ever comply to the 106 based on a stringent modern EIA is beyond me.

Southern Water will be a statutory consultee, and then there is the EAs new though shalt not concrete over water sources directive to consider.

Anonymous said...

Michael Child. I am genuinely curious as to what you think we should do concerning safety of the aquifer. There are plenty of tankers carrying petrol, diesel, chemicals etc that drive a long the road south of the airport, there is a petrol station at the Smuggler's Leap, so how does all this potential contamination effect the acquifer's integrity? Presumably the movement of these commodities is more dangerous by road than by air. I also wonder how much oil is dropped day to day from vehicles and washed into the soil? Over a year it must be quite a lot.

Michael Child said...

15.51 The EA say that this is their main concern and are working on it see my post http://thanetonline.blogspot.com/2009/02/kent-county-council-and-dodgy-drains.html with respect to the airport, at the very least a main runway interceptor before expansion. With Thanet Earth a big enough interceptor and containment area to protect it from the newly enlarged lorry fuel tanks see http://thanetonline.blogspot.com/2009/01/thanet-earth-environmental-time-bomb.html TDCs contaminated land officer is looking into this one at the moment. As far industrial development on the SPZs go you only have to look at Sericol and Thor to se what happens.

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